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We're going back to the house now, this is 1230 a.m there's seven people in the house

Lawrence Hong Joshua Hunter Caitlin Perez

Zachariah Raythewell Jordan Segura Terry Lewis Matthew de Grud

at this point the McCabe has the idea or somebody has the idea

to round them up and let's go get some nuggets at McDonald's right because

everyone's kind of drinking having a good time and that's just the natural

progression for drunk people you know including me yeah we do that all the time

during this time right before the murders begin Matthew goes through a few

changes or routines, not routines, he does a few things that are questionable.

Number one, he puts on latex medical gloves that I'm imagining he found in the bathroom.

Okay.

Just those blue gloves you know you put on?

And he says to someone at the party, which there were at 30 people as I said at this

party. When he starts doing this people start leaving because they get worried about what this guy is saying and how he's acting and no one else really knows him he's kind of a cave's friend he's saying

and he's saying this before the McDonald's trip he's doing so yeah so everyone starts kind of just

okay nice party but I call him night yeah I wonder what the conversation he was what was like with with him if he

interacted with people and was kind of acting weird at the party or if word

got out. He was acting he was interacting with everyone at the party and those weird things.

So yeah, because and then maybe even McCabe like told a couple people before the party started that maybe he was saying, I don know no because I'm about to show we're about to go through each stabbing and I broke it down by each person with what he what his. It is brutal man. It's crazy, but I'm trying to get you

guys a little prepared. Anyway, to answer your question, he was interacting with everyone at the

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