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Hello and welcome back to Control or Delete. My guest today is Ian Leslie, a writer and author

of multiple bestselling books on human behaviour. He writes about psychology, culture,

technology, and business for the new statesman, the economist, the garden, and the financial times.

He also co-hosted the podcast series polarised on the way we do politics today. He is such a fascinating

guest to have on the podcast today, really excited that I got to talk to him about his new book

called conflicted. Why arguments are tearing us apart and how they can bring us together.

Conflicted draws essential lessons on how to disagree better from world-class experts like

interrogators, hostage negotiators, divorce mediators, and many others. It's so interesting and

so inspiring hearing stories of how productive disagreements have led to great things,

from the invention of the aeroplane to the success of the rolling stones. He has combined

such fascinating insights with the science of human communication. In a world where we are

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