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Real Estate Investing for Cash Flow with Kevin Bupp

#340: Hospitality, Industrial Investments, Bank Loans, and So Much More! -with Charlie Muller

Real Estate Investing for Cash Flow with Kevin Bupp

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🗓️ 14 September 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Charlie Muller is a hospitality expert and managing director of Hospitality Investments for Avistone, LLC.

Charlie has worked in the hospitality industry since he was a teen. And this year as of this year, he now holds over 38 years of experience in many facets of the industry including operations, capital planning, acquisitions, development, asset management, and dispositions.

Having successfully lead 5 investment firms, he currently leverages his skills and knowledge as managing director of Avistone, LLC. Here  Charlie lends his expertise in the acquisition, (re)development, and asset management of over 200 properties in the hospitality and recreational spaces that in total value at over $5 billion.

Quote:

“Most of the debt that's available in the sector right now is coming from on debt fund acquisitions and typically the loan to value is roughly 65%…but we are seeing the pricing of that debt narrow almost every week”

“…So there’s nothing wrong with buying an older asset it just has to have good bones that will always be able to be improved and looking like new. So, I would say that the need to do larger transactions sometimes requires you to look at portfolios that might not fully fit your knitting.”

Highlight:

02:32 - Charlie tells us how he found his way into the hospitality space. 

04:41 - Charlie talks about Avistone’s background and its relationship to hospitality investments.

07:28 - Charlie describes what the economic health of the hospitality industry looks like today.

13:43 - Charlie gives listeners an idea about the stress cracks in the industry.

18:40 - Charlie discusses CMBS loans and debt distress in the industry.

20:11 - Charlie tells listeners what kind of hospitality investments Avistone looks for.

23:43 - Charlie provides insight into how to forecast hospitality risks.

28:40 - Charlie offers his perspective on a bank’s position as it pertains to lending on an acquisition.

30:59 - Charlie is asked the golden nugget question: what is one deal that did not meet expectations?

Transcript

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0:00.0

You've been searching for the best way to generate passive income in your life and heard that real estate is a great way to do it.

0:09.4

But you're tired of all the so-called gurus who are all talk and no substance.

0:15.2

Get ready to celebrate because Kevin Bup has spent 14 years successfully making it happen.

0:21.7

This is the Real Estate Investing for Cash Flow podcast.

0:25.2

Now, here's Kevin Bup.

0:30.1

Hey guys, Kevin Bup here, and I want to welcome you to another episode of the Real

0:33.6

Estate Investing for Cashflow podcast, where our mission is to build and maintain

0:37.2

massive amounts of cash flow through income producing real estate investments. And our

0:41.1

guests for this week's show is hospitality expert and managing director of hospitality

0:45.1

investments for Avastone, Charlie Muller. Now, Charlie's a broad-based background in hotel and

0:50.2

recreational real estate with over 38 years of experience in operations, capital planning,

0:55.5

acquisitions, development, asset management, and dispositions.

0:59.1

At Avastone, Charlie will be leveraging a senior leadership experience and network developed

1:03.2

in the acquisition of over 75 hotels valued at $3.1 billion.

1:07.6

Development or redevelopment of 19 hotels at 1.1 billion in the acquisition of

1:12.2

our 120 recreational properties value at 2.4 billion and then asset management practices for

1:17.5

over 200 hotels and recreational properties and so guys without further ado I'd like to welcome our

1:22.1

guest for today's show charlie muller charlie how you doing today doing great kevin thanks for Thanks for the opportunity. Yeah, thanks for being here. It was really

1:30.0

excited to have you on the show here. And, you know, hospitality is the, you know, it's that sector.

1:34.7

It's one of the sectors that was, what is the sector that was probably the hardest hit,

1:39.7

real estate sector that was hardest hit during COVID. A few others, you know, got some bumps

1:44.1

and bruises

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