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Okay, my guest today is Dr Ben Adle

Anderson Day, sorry, an associate professor in psychology and a fellow with the Wolfson Research

Institute for Health and Wellbeing at Durham University, a specialist in

at a typical cognition and mental health. His work spans cognitive

neuroscience, psychiatry, philosophy, and child development. His new book here it is

presence the strange science and true stories of the unseen other.

Wow, this is super, super interesting, Ben, before we dive into all that because there was,

I learned a lot, I know a lot about this

subject and I still learned a ton of stuff from your book because I haven't looked at this

research in over a decade so that was super cool but I love the style of the

writing the narrative storytelling woven with a lot of science that's perfect for what

I think makes a good science book right not not a textbook not a technical book

not just a pop book because there's a lot of your own original ideas and

research in there it's you know something else what John Brockman calls a

third culture book right it it it kind of bridges between science and art literature and so on, so I really like that.

So give us a little bit background how you got into this whole field of, you know, why weird things happen to people in their minds.

Of course, well, first of all, thank you so much. why weird things happen to people in their minds.

Of course.

Well, first of all, thank you so much for that introduction, Michael.

It's a real pleasure to be here and you're very kind to describe the book in that way.

I came to start thinking about these sorts of things because I was part of a quite ambitious project at Durham in the UK called hearing the voice.

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