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Hello and welcome back to Control or Delete. My guest today is Catherine Gray, the award-winning

author of the Unexpected Joy of Books. Catherine's debut book, The Unexpected Joy of Being

Sober, was a huge hit, becoming a Sunday Times top 10 bestseller within a fortnight of it coming out,

and she's also the author of The Unexpected Joy of Being Single and The Unexpected Joy of

The Ordinary. She is now back with a brand new book called Sunshine Warm Sober Unexpected Sober

Joy that lasts. This could be called the Hotly Anticipated Sequel to The Unexpected Joy of Being

Sober, but I read it in a sort of separate way from her previous books. It's all about her

eighth year of being sober and what she's learned since the last book. We talk about the power of

writing personally. We talk about boundaries. We talk about how there's no happily ever after

necessarily, and we're always on the onwards journey, and I really enjoyed this conversation.

I found the book raw, reflective, and it's a book about rooting for yourself. I really

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