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The Greg McKeown Podcast

337. Why Polarization is a Bigger Threat than You Think with Tim Shriver (Part 2)

The Greg McKeown Podcast

Greg McKeown

Education, Business, Self-improvement

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 26 September 2024

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

Tim Shriver is an acclaimed advocate for individuals with intellectual disabilities, serving as the chairman of the Special Olympics. He has an extensive family legacy, being the son of Eunice Kennedy Shriver and Sargent Shriver, and a nephew to President John F. Kennedy. Tim has committed his life to numerous social causes, particularly emphasizing social-emotional learning through the Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning. He holds degrees from Yale University, Catholic University, and a doctorate in education from the University of Connecticut. Furthermore, Tim Shriver is also a film producer and New York Times bestselling author. Episode Summary: Greg welcomes Tim Shriver back to discuss bridging divides in an increasingly polarized world. Greg and Tim explore how contempt and dehumanization exacerbate divisions in society, whether in politics or personal interactions. The episode highlights the need for a cultural shift towards empathy, respecting differences, and cultivating the rare and valuable skill of deep listening. Shriver shares stories from his work with the Special Olympics and insights from his efforts in social-emotional learning, underscoring that while differences are inevitable, recognizing the inherent dignity in others can pave the way for solving shared problems. Key Takeaways: The Power of Listening: Tim emphasizes that the skill of deep listening is increasingly vital in today's polarized world for understanding and solving conflicts. Dehumanization and Contempt: The discussion addresses how contemptuous language and dehumanizing others lead to escalating violence and societal fragmentation. Empathy in Action: Examples from the Special Olympics showcase how exposure, when thoughtfully managed, can transform attitudes and relationships, promoting empathy and respect for differences. Role of Relationships in Problem-Solving: Relationships are defined as the ability to solve problems together, highlighting the necessity of building trust and understanding before tackling contentious issues. Common Humanity: Regardless of political affiliation or personal stance, recognizing our shared vulnerabilities can lead to more compassionate and effective interactions. Notable Quotes: "We cannot bridge these times of polarization by starting with the things we most disagree about." - Greg McKeown "The biggest reducer of free speech is not the government. It's contempt." - Tim Shriver "Difference isn't the problem. Difference is not the problem. The problem is treating each other with hatred and dehumanizing contempt." - Tim Shriver "It's almost physiologically impossible to have a good conversation when starting at the point of greatest pain." - Tim Shriver Resources: Tim Shriver on Twitter Join my weekly newsletter. Learn more about my books and courses. Join The Essentialism Academy. Follow me on LinkedIn, Instagram, X, Facebook, and YouTube.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Before we get into today's episode, let me just say this. I am politically independent and on this

0:08.0

podcast I have invited people from across the political spectrum. And in all cases I have tried, perhaps not always successfully,

0:18.0

to really listen, to really understand,

0:21.0

and to balance challenging people and asking them what I hope

0:25.8

are incisive questions with respect for the individual because we cannot bridge

0:32.4

these times of polarization by starting with the things we most disagree about.

0:39.0

We have to engage with people as if we want to have an ongoing conversation and ongoing

0:45.4

relationship because it's only that approach that can help us to solve any

0:50.7

problems at all. I was just speaking with one of the world's

0:54.0

leading authorities on negotiation and he made this point that a relationship by

0:59.5

definition is someone with whom you can solve problems. I hope through my writing,

1:06.7

through my speaking, and of course through this podcast to be a part of the

1:11.0

solution, not the problem, to listen to people from all walks of life, to be able

1:16.7

to see the good in them, to learn from them, even if there are things with which I disagree,

1:22.0

or of course, as you're listening that you may

1:24.9

disagree with it's my view that we face a serious understanding paradox in our

1:31.8

times that as information has exploded, understanding has

1:36.2

imploded and that's affecting everything around us. So whether I'm

1:40.3

interviewing somebody from the left, from the right, from one administration or another,

1:46.7

what I'm going for is understanding.

1:49.3

And that is what I'm asking from you as well.

1:52.5

To remember that there is a space between agreeing and disagreeing.

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