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The Peter Attia Drive

#333 ‒ Longevity roundtable — the science of aging, geroprotective molecules, lifestyle interventions, challenges in research, and more | Steven Austad, Matt Kaeberlein, Richard Miller

The Peter Attia Drive

Peter Attia, MD

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Fitness

4.77.3K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2025

⏱️ 162 minutes

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In this special episode of The Drive, Peter introduces a brand-new roundtable format. Joined by three renowned experts in longevity science—Steven Austad, Richard Miller, and Matt Kaeberlein—the group explores the rapidly evolving field of geroscience. Together, they dive deep into topics like the relationship between healthspan and lifespan, evaluating interventions like rapamycin and senolytics, the role of epigenetic changes in aging, and whether GLP-1 receptor agonists hold geroprotective potential. They also tackle major challenges in funding and public acceptance of longevity research including how geroprotective interventions might be tested in humans. Packed with nuanced debate, humor, and groundbreaking insights, this episode is a must-listen for anyone fascinated by the science of aging.

We discuss:

  • The recent rise in public interest in longevity, misconceptions, and the link between healthspan and lifespan [3:45];
  • Redefining healthspan, the US healthcare paradox, and separating longevity science from commercial hype [12:30];
  • The need to redirect medical research from disease-specific models to aging-focused approaches [21:30];
  • Proactive healthcare: rethinking health, disease, and the role of aging [30:00];
  • Biologic age versus chronologic age, and the limitations and potential of epigenetic clocks [35:00];
  • The utility and drawbacks of the “hallmarks of aging” as a framework for research and funding [49:30];
  • The role of epigenetic changes in aging and the challenges of proving causality [56:45];
  • The translational challenges of moving aging research from preclinical studies to human applications [1:03:45];
  • Distinguishing between a biomarker of aging and aging rate indicators [1:17:15];
  • The difficulties of translating longevity research in mice to humans, and the difficulties of testing interventions in humans [1:21:15];
  • Exercise, aging, and healthspan: does exercise slow aging? [1:35:45];
  • Are GLP-1 receptor agonists geroprotective beyond caloric restriction effects? [1:41:00];
  • The role of senescent cells in aging, challenges with reproducibility in studies, and differing views on the value of current research approaches [1:46:15];
  • How funding challenges and leadership in NIH and other institutes impact the advancement of aging-related research [2:00:15];
  • Metformin: geroprotective potential, mechanisms, and unanswered questions [2:02:30];
  • Canagliflozin and rapamycin as geroprotective molecules: mechanisms, dosing strategies, and longevity potential [2:10:45];
  • Resveratrol and NAD precursors—a lack of evidence for anti-aging effects [2:22:45];
  • The potential of parabiosis and plasmapheresis to slow aging, the challenges in translating mouse studies to humans, and possible design for human studies [2:29:45]; and
  • More.

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subscribe. Welcome to a special episode of The Drive. Today we're introducing a new format to the podcast.

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It's our inaugural roundtable conversation. For this one, we're introducing a new format to the podcast. It's our inaugural roundtable conversation.

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For this one, we have gathered three brilliant minds, all former guests of the podcast,

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to sit down and have a nuanced, funny, sometimes a little heated discussion about one of the most fascinating and rapidly

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evolving areas of medicine today, guroscience, also known, I guess, as longevity science.

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So joining me for this episode are doctors Steve Ostead, an expert in aging biology and author

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of groundbreaking research on extending health span.

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Richard Miller, pioneer of the study of anti-aging interventions through the interventions

1:52.0

testing program, or ITP, which you hear me reference a lot, and Matt Caberlin, whose expertise

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explores the intersection of genetics, aging, and translational research. And Matt, of course,

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is famous for his work in the dog aging project. So in today's roundtable, we discuss a number of

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things, such as the relationship between health span and lifespan. And what does health span

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actually mean? Is it something we should try to define? Can you improve one without improving the other?

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