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Today my friend Dr. Gail Salts, she has a podcast, The Power of Different, new episodes Tuesday and Saturdays on iTunes. She has a book, The Power of Different, the link between disorder and genius. I love that.

We have a website is Dr. Gail Salts, S-A-L-T-Z, which we're at, the R-Gail Salts, Dr. Gail Salts, where she is an associate professor of psychiatry at New York Presbyterian Hospital and she's my dear friend. She's psychoanalyst. She's an internist. She does it all. Gail.

Let me, let me, I'm sure I've said it to you before, but let me state it for this audience. I am jealous of Gail's training. I really am because Gail had internal medicine training like I did and she thought, well, that's not enough. I'll go good, become a psychiatrist, which she did. And then I'm going to do it.

She did. And then that wasn't enough, so she became a psychoanalyst, which by itself is something I'm interested in. And then she went and did a fellowship in sexuality, right?

Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. Aren't you glad that you weren't paying for my tuition and...

Yes, yes, I was glad. And then when Gail was 48, she started practicing medicine. All that training took like 15 years.

So I did do a lot of training. Here we are. Yes, but good for you. She is interviewed Tom Broca, Katie Kirk, Woody Allen, Rosie O'Donnell, Woody Allen. What did you think about him?

Or can you say? He's brilliant. He's really brilliant. That is not, obviously I'm not commenting on moral issues here, but he is a pretty fascinating person.

Can I... I had a suspicion. This, you're the perfect person to ask this question. I've noticed that when people are working in deep psychoanalytic process, because I have patients that are doing that sometimes three times a week and five times a week and whatnot, and they will turn up in my medical practice and literally say to me,

something's happening. I can't tell if it's right now, analysis, or if I'm ill. So just check me out. Because the experiences in deep psychoanalysis get almost addling, right?

You start... Go ahead.

As you know, and I know, and I think most people do understand now, there is an intense mind-body connection.

But this is not just that. I agree with you. I know where you're going with this, but this is literally like they're lost in their analysis, and their core sense of themselves and their body is in flux, so they just need some objective sort of assessment of it. Does that make sense?

Well, I think... I mean, when you say people usually come to an intern to you when they have weird feelings that they can't explain, right? And they're making them anxious.

And weird feelings that you can't explain can be either a biological symptom in your body, but they can be a symptom in your mind.

And when you are getting to material that is hard to understand, or very, very conflicted, it's usually because it's driving a lot of anxiety.

And there are... I'm not just talking about psychologically, what is the anxiety doing to your body, but I'm... people experience everything from sort of depersonalized, you know, realization kinds of feelings, like I'm a little outside myself.

I feel uncertain, you know, terms of my identity, like who I am really, and those can create physiologically weird feelings for people. That's one thing that does happen, I think, yes.

But I also think, you know, many, many psych issues are stiletized. And so I do think, you know, people... I mean, you're basically describing yourself right now as like the backline of, you know,

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