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it is a clan book because the kind of the context or the canvas that the internal story happens

on is the clan. But I never intended to write yet another history of the clan. There are

enough of those. The evil of the clan, the violence of the clan is well documented. But this is a

story more about two people who changed American history dramatically. And it's also very much

early 20th century history in the emerging communications industry, in the histories of marketing,

public relations, journalism. And it's just, it's remarkable how two people can affect in a bad

way the history of the entire nation. In order for people to fully understand the scope of

transformation of the Ku Klux Klan, let's go back to the early days of the organization.

Can you give us a summary of how the clan began and the kind of organization it was,

post civil war to the turn of the 20th century? Sure, there essentially have been two plans,

the original plan after the civil war. And then the plan that I discuss in my book is sometimes

called the modern plan. The original plan came about after the civil war ended and reconstruction

began. Now right away, initially right after the end of the civil war, Lincoln had chosen a more

benevolent way of states returning to the union. Of course, he was assassinated just a few days after

the surrender assigned. And Andrew Johnson, his vice president, took over. And it was going to be

kind of a return to the way the South was before the same leaders in the South, the same white

leaders of the planter. People would be in charge. And there were black codes written which made

things very difficult for the freed slaves to have any kind of a future. And the radical Republicans

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