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Hello and welcome back to Real Crime Profile.

This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler and former New York City prosecutor and currently

writer and producer on CBS's hit series Criminal Minds among other things.

And with me today is...

Laura Richards, I'm a criminal behavioral analyst and founder and director of Paladin National

Stoking Advocacy Service.

And I'm Lisa Zambetti, I'm the casting director for Criminal Minds and Beyond Borders and

I have a real interest in real crime and the minds that solve those crimes and the people

whose lives are changed by those crimes.

Well today we have once again our guest Bill Thomas who is talking to us about the murder

of his sister Kathy Thomas 30 years ago and that crime still remains unsolved.

How you doing Bill?

I'm good, thank you and thanks for having me.

Well thank you for being here and I know this is dredging up a lot of nasty details

and information but we really appreciate you being here to do that because we believe

that by giving a voice to your sister and the other victims that we will actually be making

kind of a sea change in criminal law and how it's basically covered by the media.

It's really important to us, Laura and myself and to Lisa that we give the victims a voice

and in their victimology they teach us and hopefully we can help prevent crime because

of that.

So Bill last time you were here you mentioned that you and your family really stayed out

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