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Apply with £100,000 annual income or £100,000 savings or investments with HSBC UK or Premier status abroad. Hello and welcome to Wednesday's episode of the Battleground Ukraine podcast with me, Saul David and Patrick Bishop.

Today we're talking to cyber expert and friend of the podcast, David Alexander.

David is an academic who has helped to develop national cyber policy and operational

capability for both the UK government and the Ministry of Defence. We asked David to give us an update on

the cyber front of the Ukraine war since we last spoke to him in early January. This is what he told us.

David, you last appeared on the podcast in January a couple of months ago.

You gave us a kind of great assessment of where we'd got to at that point.

But obviously quite a bit's been happening since then.

Can you give a sort of summary, really, of the cyber front in the Ukraine

war since early January? Yes, there's a lot that's been happening in the background, but there

haven't really been any major notable events inside Ukraine itself, which I think is fairly indicative

for the fact that the Ukrainians have got their foot well and truly upon the neck of the Russian attack efforts, both through their own sterling efforts and also information that they've been provided by Western allies to help them.

Part of that is that Ukraine has now been allowed to join the NATO Joint Centre for Advanced Technologies for Cyber

Defence, which is our Cyber Defence Knowledge Hub and Training Centre and Research Centre,

and it should be stressed that the terms of reference that centre are that it is not limited

to NATO members only. So just because Ukraine has been allowed to join that does not mean that they're

part of NATO before anybody gets the wrong idea. The fact that also there have been,

in the SSCIP, the Ukrainian cyber defense organization have said that there have been something

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