The following is a conversation with Kate Darling, her second time on the podcast.

She's a research scientist at MIT Media Lab interested in human robot interaction and robot

ethics, which she writes about in her recent book called The New Breed, What Our History

with Animals Reveals About Our Future with Robots.

Kate is one of my favorite people at MIT.

She was a courageous voice of reason and compassion for the time of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal

at MIT three years ago.

We reflect on this time in this very conversation, including the lessons that revealed about

human nature and our optimistic vision for the future of MIT, a university we both love

and believe in.

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