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Well, let's just spend the last 10-15 minutes talking about where you are. So last we talked,

you had been disfellowshipped. And then you kind of, I don't want to say what's silent,

but I haven't heard a lot from you until the Mormon Expression Interview. Why don't you tell us

a little bit more about your journey since we last talked?

Well, I was put on disfellowshipped in December of 2004.

And the accusation in the claims were what? Remind us.

My book of which only one person of the whole group had read the book and they appointed him to

defend the church. It went on six hours and I dictated it to Levina Andersen. She still has all

that and she's so busy. She hasn't get around to it one these days.

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