It is through the personal transformation of people that the world is transformed.

It is not, firstly through political actions, through political activism, through all these things.

True transformation happens through you becoming a saint.

If you become a saint, then you will transform reality.

I'm not against being politically active, but if you think that that's how you're going to fundamentally change reality, forget it.

It's like, let's take the United States, for example.

Like, you literally have a country that split 50-50 down the middle, and then everybody's

fighting for like the few percentages to win the next election.

And so who is winning?

Is anybody going to win?

How are you going to win? Are you going to destroy 50% of the country? Are you going to just eliminate everybody? Like this kind of

culture war stuff is that's why I tried to avoid it as much as I can't because the problem

of the fragmentation is such a deep problem. It doesn't have a political solution. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. But I did want to understand more deeply what you were talking about about the Enlightenment.

And I guess if the world is going to be re-enchanted,

then what methodology can we use to explain the world to ourselves and each other?

Because while the Enlightenment, or that bundle of thinkers and procedures that were born at that time,

it kind of came together.

While it does have problems and certainly it can't explain everything,

it does have a way of like really drilling down into so-called objective truth.

Like it does like approach something more solid. And when we start speaking

in terms of symbolism, like what is the underlying methodology and how do you know when you're

going astray? How do you check your notes? How do you like show your work, like a math problem?

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