Yeah, I want to get to a lot of that stuff, the stories of like taking the, I know there's a huge DARPA grant to take the stuff out of the, out of the psychedelics for soldiers and stuff like this.

Yeah, Brian Roth's book. Yeah, yeah. And I want to talk also about the cocaine stuff. But this morning, I read that article by Michael Pollan and the New Yorker.

Right.

Yeah.

About the spiritual professionals study at Johns Hopkins.

The clergy study, religious professionals.

Yeah.

Can you...

Can you...

Can you lay out this whole story for us and like how it started, who was behind it, and then what ended up happening with the whole thing?

Yeah. So the idea is, so we had a history of doing this work that was first published in 2006, 2008, a series of studies looking at in spiritually interested people, what are the basic effects?

So this isn't treating disorders, but what are the effects from just people interested in taking these things spiritually?

And this is sort of a follow-up to that work.

It's also a follow-up, basically, to the old Good Friday study from, was it, 1962, that was conducted at Harvard by Wally Pankey, who was a student of Tim Leary, who was his Ph.E. Advisor, and they were, it's called the Good Friday study because they were in the basement of the Marsh Chapel in the Boston area.

And there was a very charismatic preacher delivering the Good Friday service.

And they were the people who were on psilocybin or an active placebo.

Nice. And they were in the basement listening to the service.

And, yeah, they found that the people who received psilocybin largely had what we call mystical experiences.

They were very spiritual. I had the sense of unity and these other aspects of the mystical experience.

And some follow-up work that Rick Doblin, the head of Maps, did

25 years later. He did a lot of digging to find most of these people who were in that study.

And these were seminary students, I should say. So that's a key there. Those were religious

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