321: What We Wish We’d Known with John P. Freeman
The Next Right Thing
Emily P. Freeman
4.8 • 5.3K Ratings
🗓️ 26 March 2024
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
Today's guest is one you're familiar with by now. It's my friend, partner, and husband, John Freeman. Aside from being my biggest cheerleader, John is also a pastor. He served for 12 years in two different churches as a youth pastor, until 11 years ago when he walked out of the room of official church ministry and walked into the room of our actual home, where he worked for several years as a stay-at-home dad.
For the last few years, he's been running his own nonprofit called Grace Discipleship, offering soul care and spiritual direction for couples, pastors, and Gen Z high school and college students. Now that How to Walk into a Room is out in the world, John and I wanted to host a conversation about the book, specifically our own personal reflections on this side of sharing certain parts of our story. I hope you'll listen in.
LINKS + RESOURCES FROM THIS EPISODE:
- Grace Discipleship
- Find John on Instagram
- LGBTQ resources for parents
- David Gushee on the Making Things Right podcast
- Order a How to Walk into a Room
- Download the free discussion guide for How to Walk into a Room by visiting this page and clicking the button "Discussion Guide"
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Emily P. Freeman and welcome to the next right thing. You're listening to episode 321. |
| 0:07.0 | I'm an author, a spiritual director, and an occasional workshop leader. |
| 0:12.0 | I live in the Piedmont of North Carolina with my family |
| 0:15.0 | and through my work I've helped thousands of spiritually thoughtful people |
| 0:18.0 | overcome decision fatigue |
| 0:20.0 | so that they can discern their next right thing in faith work in life. |
| 0:24.0 | By the way, this came up recently in conversation that some people do not know what the Piedmont is. |
| 0:29.0 | Well, technically, the word means foothill, but more broadly, the Piedmont is a region located in the eastern |
| 0:35.8 | United States that's situated between the Atlantic Plain and the Blue Ridge Mountains. |
| 0:40.9 | Another way to say it is that we live in the central area of North Carolina that is not the coast but also is not the mountains. |
| 0:47.0 | You're welcome for this simple geography lesson. |
| 0:50.0 | Today I'm concluding the series of conversations I've been having this month with people who I believe have a lot to teach us about the healthy human rhythm of leaving rooms and finding new ones. |
| 1:01.0 | This is one way I wanted to celebrate the release of my new, now New York Times Best |
| 1:06.8 | Seller, how to walk into a room. |
| 1:09.3 | If you missed any of the previous conversations, you can hear America's government teacher Sharon McMahon. |
| 1:15.3 | She was on episode 317 called When Things End Without Closure. |
| 1:20.5 | You can also listen to writer, speaker, and activist Parker J Palmer on finding vocational clarity, that's episode 319. |
| 1:28.0 | And our last conversation was with acquisitions editor Grace P. Cho on episode 320 following your intuition. |
| 1:36.0 | My final guest in the series is one you're familiar with by now. |
| 1:39.7 | It's my friend, partner, and husband John Freeman. |
| 1:42.6 | Aside from being my biggest cheerleader, John is also a pastor. |
| 1:46.2 | He served for 12 years in two different churches |
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