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You're going to be here. Oh, Welcome everyone to the most notorious podcast. I'm Eric Riveness. Another episode for you today in the special Jack the Ripper series.

I am so pleased to introduce today's guest Dr. Drew Gray. He is a social historian who specializes in 18th and 19th century crime and punishment.

He is a fellow of the Royal Historical Society, and he is the head of the History Department for the University of Northampton.

He has written a number of historical true crime themed books, including London's Shadow, The Dark Side of the Victorian City,

Murder Maps, Crime Scenes Revisited, Phronology to Fingerprint 1811 to

and the focus of today's conversation

Jack and the Thames torso murders a new ripper which he co-wrote with Andrew Wise by the way. Thank you so much for

accepting my invitation. Great to have you. Thanks Eric it's great to be here.

So the books that I mentioned in your introduction, they spend somewhere all of their focus

on the Victorian era.

What is it about this time period that interests you?

Mm. Yeah, I think that the the 19th century is fascinating in lots of ways. There's lots of change going on in society. I mean this is

where the Industrial Revolution kicks off, it's where cities are growing urban spaces which

I think we probably associate mostly crime

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