Wired.com presents The Geek's Guide to the Galaxy. And here is your host, David Barr-Kirtley.

Hello and welcome to episode 321 of Geek's Guide to the Galaxy.

Our guest today is Gary Kisparov.

For 20 years, he was the top-ranked chess player in the world,

and his 1997 match against the IBM Supercomputer Deep Blue made international headlines.

He's also the chairman of the Human Rights Foundation and co-founder of the Kasparov Chess Foundation.

And we'll be speaking with him today about his book's Deep Thinking,

Where Machine Intelligence Ends and Human Creativity begins. will be speaking with him today about his book's deep thinking, where machine intelligence ends and human creativity begins,

and winter is coming.

Why Vladimir Putin and the enemies of the free world

must be stopped.

And now here's an interview with Gary Kasparov. All right, so we're here with Gary Kasparov.

Welcome to the show.

Hi, I'm here.

Okay, so when I was growing up, my parents both worked at the IBM facility in Yorktown Heights where Deep Blue was developed.

So I really heard a lot about that growing up and I thought I really knew the story.

But then reading your book made me realize that there was all this stuff going on behind the scenes that I had no idea about.

And I was just wondering, do you just look back on that now and think how crazy that was, how much stuff was going on behind the scenes?

Look, it was more than 20 years ago.

I wouldn't call it crazy, though I think on my side I could be a bit more cautious by accepting the challenge and trying to work out conditions that would be more

favorable for a human opponent mismatch

But as I explained in the book for me it was part of the

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