321. A Conversation So Intense It Might Transcend Time and Space | John Vervaeke

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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🗓️ 9 January 2023

⏱️ 115 minutes

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Dr. Peterson's extensive catalog is available now on DailyWire+: https://utm.io/ueSXh Dr Jordan B Peterson and John Vervaeke discuss entropy reduction, incremental fact gathering, systems of complexity and the ultimate unity in the holy spirit. John Vervaeke is an Associate Professor in Cognitive Psychology and Cognitive Science at the University of Toronto. His work constructs a bridge between science and spirituality in order to understand the experience of meaningfulness and the cultivation of wisdom so as to afford awakening from the meaning crisis. - Sponsors - Hallow: Try Hallow for 3 months FREE: https://hallow.com/jordan Birch Gold: Text "JORDAN" to 989898 for your no-cost, no-obligation, FREE information kit. - Links - For John Vervaeke: Episode One of Beyond Socrates: https://youtu.be/bIJuIN6kUcU Website: https://johnvervaeke.com/ - Chapters - (0:00) Coming Up (1:24) Intro (5:00) Entropy reduction (6:30) Friston, big picture cognitive science (9:00) Surprise and micro narratives (14:00) Domains of measurement (16:15) The problem with pragmatism (19:00) Incremental fact gathering (21:25) Spiraling pathways (24:38) Oneness, Piaget (27:25) Graceful degradation (31:30) Connectivity, network organization (34:00) Genome aging and mutation (36:00) Gist, mutual predictability (38:00) Nihilism, false arguments (41:20) Cartesian reality (43:30) levels of abstraction, meta games (46:45) Hierarchy of unity, internal dialogues (48:30) When a system complexifies (52:40) Overarching harmony, (1:01:00) Zombie complex, nature and function (1:03:00) The function of consciousness (1:05:00) Insight, relevance realization (1:07:00) Adverbial connections (1:10:00) God, Hermes, the burning bush (1:13:15) A multitude of goals (1:15:00) Acts of integration, profound synthesis (1:17:00) The ultimate unity as a spirit (1:21:00) Pluripotential Chaos (1:24:20) Pride and suffering (1:27:00) Self deception, heuristics (1:29:00) Cognitive evolution, static perfection (1:33:00) Distributed insight, humility (1:35:30) Zone of proximal development (1:37:00) The ides of the culmination (1:39:00) Generative being, logos (1:40:44) After Socrates (1:46:00) Conditions for relevancy (1:47:30) Practices of socracy (1:50:00) Profound emergence // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/jordanbpeterson.com/youtubesignup Donations: https://jordanbpeterson.com/donate // COURSES // Discovering Personality: https://jordanbpeterson.com/personality Self Authoring Suite: https://selfauthoring.com Understand Myself (personality test): https://understandmyself.com // BOOKS // Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life: https://jordanbpeterson.com/Beyond-Order 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos: https://jordanbpeterson.com/12-rules-for-life Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief: https://jordanbpeterson.com/maps-of-meaning // LINKS // Website: https://jordanbpeterson.com Events: https://jordanbpeterson.com/events Blog: https://jordanbpeterson.com/blog Podcast: https://jordanbpeterson.com/podcast // SOCIAL // Twitter: https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson Instagram: https://instagram.com/jordan.b.peterson Facebook: https://facebook.com/drjordanpeterson Telegram: https://t.me/DrJordanPeterson All socials: https://linktr.ee/drjordanbpeterson #JordanPeterson #JordanBPeterson #DrJordanPeterson #DrJordanBPeterson #DailyWirePlus

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0:00.0	.
0:14.0	Hello, everyone.
0:15.3	Watching and listening on YouTube and
0:18.0	associated platforms.
0:19.8	I'm here today in person.
0:23.0	So that's nice.
0:24.0	With Dr. John Verveki,
0:26.1	he's a professor at the University of Toronto,
0:28.9	like I am or was, depending on how you look at it.
0:32.9	Our work has run in parallel for a long time,
0:35.6	probably 20 years, maybe longer than that.
0:37.6	And we had a lot of students at the University of Toronto
0:40.6	in common.
0:42.0	And we've had a lot of discussions on YouTube.
0:44.6	John and I are both interested in this issue
0:47.4	of the issue of relevance realization,
0:49.9	which is a very abstract way of pointing
0:53.2	to something extremely fundamental, which
0:55.1	is the fact that certain things announce themselves
0:58.6	to your perception as primary.
1:01.0	Things attract your attention and attract your focus.
1:03.3	And that's a great mystery.
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