32: LONDINIUM 91 A.D.: The Emperor's Legacy: Debating Trump's Greco-Roman White House Addition Gaius (John Batchelor) and Germanicus (Michael Vlahos) Gaius and Germanicus discuss the proposed 90,000 square foot Greco-Roman casino-style building intended for
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🗓️ 27 October 2025
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Gaius (John Batchelor) and Germanicus (Michael Vlahos)
Gaius and Germanicus discuss the proposed 90,000 square foot Greco-Roman casino-style building intended for the White House, which the Washington Post endorsed, calling the current need to erect tents on the South Lawn an embarrassment. Gaius notes that changes to the White House traditionally draw large protests, citing Jefferson and Jackie Kennedy. He compares Mr. Trump, who has no claim to royalty, to the Flavians (Vespasian and Titus), who were business-class provincials yet built the Colosseum, the symbol of Rome. Germanicus explains that it is the prerogative of the emperor to leave a physical legacy, a tradition dating back to Augustus, who transformed Rome from a city of brick to one of marble. He argues that official architecture in Washington, D.C., follows this majestic imperial Greco-Roman tradition, cemented by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Gaius reveals that the current White House is actually a complete 1950s reproduction, rebuilt under Truman after structural deficiencies were discovered. Finally, they discuss Mr. Trump's desire for a moon landing before leaving office, viewing it as part of his mission to restore American greatness and secure a significant legacy.
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| 0:00.0 | This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I am Gaius. Germantus is here. |
| 0:07.8 | We're by the Thames. It's not chilly yet, but it's no longer warm like summer. The Tempts is turbulent. |
| 0:16.6 | There's fresh swan meat in the town. I mentioned it earlier, and some of the centurions who enjoy listening to Germanicus and I talk about this distant place called the 21st century. |
| 0:29.4 | They said that their wives had indeed shopped today, and there was plenty of swan meat. |
| 0:34.6 | I think it's very cheap. |
| 0:35.7 | They must have had a big, big culling in the Thames estuary. We'll have swan meat. I think it's very cheap. They must have had a big culling in the Thames estuary. We'll have swans here |
| 0:42.1 | well into the 21st century. They'll probably be banned from the dinner |
| 0:46.3 | table by then. And later on, if I remember, I have a swan recipe. For you |
| 0:52.0 | in the 21st century of imagined eating a swan, these are mute swans. |
| 0:57.0 | But we're going to address something that's equally lavish, which is the new building said to be going up at the White House. |
| 1:09.0 | It is a surprise to no one. |
| 1:12.0 | Jeb Bezos' paper in the Washington Post endorsed the plans |
| 1:15.5 | for the new 90,000 feet, square feet, footspace |
| 1:21.1 | of a building that looks very much like a Greco-Roman casino-style building that will seat 999, according to Washington Post, |
| 1:34.7 | at a state function. Washington Post said it's been an accumbrance and an embarrassment for |
| 1:41.3 | years that whenever the White House wants to enjoy a festival |
| 1:45.3 | or a ceremony or an inauguration, they have to put up tents on the South Lawn. |
| 1:51.2 | I remind you all that every time a president has made changes at the White House for 240 years, |
| 1:58.5 | there has been a large protest. |
| 2:01.4 | Jefferson is associated with the colonnades. |
| 2:04.1 | Large protest. |
| 2:05.7 | Wilson is associated with the porch that overlooks the South Lawn. |
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