This is the Baymaw Podcast with Marty Solman. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we are joined by

Elogra Refrix to discuss how to navigate to the dangers of presentism and primitivism as we start a

series on the forgotten women of the Bible. That's right. We are looking at the everyday lives of

women in the Bible today and we need to lay some groundwork before we dig into those stories because

if we don't know what's culturally normative, none of the significant divergences in the text will

stand out to us, right? So we're getting to go ahead. I'm here for the groundwork, a whole

episode whenever you do, whenever you can dedicate a whole episode to groundwork, I know that like

this is groundwork worth doing. So I'm excited today. I don't even know there's no document in front

of me. There's no notes. I'm just excited to learn. I am excited too. So before we even get going,

we have to acknowledge some biases that we carry with us just because we're human beings and we're

all doing our best. So the first one that Brent mentioned already is presentism. So presentism

is the fallacy where we unknowingly supplant whatever truths or experiences we have undergone

in our cultural settings onto someone else's cultural settings. So we might presume that traditional

women's work might have been devalued in my culture despite being the backbone of society and so

it's always been that way. And so we then can take that presumption into stories of women in the

text. But when we look at the research and science and primary literature from that time,

we find that of course industrialized wage-based labor is more of a new invention and was kind of

at that point that women's work started being undervalued. So we have to find our facts and lay

this foundational work like Marty is saying because otherwise, however we supposed to know,

if someone thinks true now, it feels like, oh, that was probably true back then, right?

Oh, that was, there's a lot in there. And like not just about women, like this should be good for

like all biblical hermeneutics when we're trying to think about historical contexts, it's probably

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