So the three founders I talk about most in this episode, Ed Catmull, Steve Jobs, and George Lucas,

all shared the same obsession for the quality of the products that they were making.

And one of the most unique things about this podcast is that I know the founder of every single company that advertises on founders.

All of them listen to founders so that makes building a relationship a lot easier.

And so 8 Sleep is one of the supporters of this episode and the founder

Mateo and I live in the same city.

A few months after I started to use 8 sleep,

I randomly ran into Mateo at a restaurant.

I was sitting with some founder friends of mine.

I went over to say hi.

When I got back to my table, one of my friends asked me who I was talking to and I was like oh that's

Mateo the founder of 8 sleep and my friend replied that he looks like he gets good sleep

Mateo is living and breathing his product.

And you see this because there's nothing in the same class as 8 sleep.

I had never had the ability to change the temperature of my bed before I had an 8 sleep.

I had no idea how much that one feature would improve the quality of my sleep.

I keep my eight sleep ice cold, I make sure it's cold before I get into bed, so I fall asleep faster

and I wake up less during the night.

That feature alone, in my opinion, is worth 10 times the price.

In past episodes, founders like Jeff Bezos and James Tyson have talked about the importance of getting good sleep.

Other founders like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg

have also talked about the fact that they love their eight sleep.

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