31. Horrorhaus Höxter 2: Should we judge offenders for being ice cold?

Bad People

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True Crime

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🗓️ 17 June 2021

⏱️ 43 minutes

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This is part two of the shocking story of abuse and torture which marked the small German town of Höxter. Angelika was called the ‘torture witch’, a psychopath, and a sadist.The truth about Angelika is more interesting. Her relationship with Wilfried took her down a dark path that made her testimony in court so hard to listen to that the judge called a break so everyone could get some air. But it’s not just the details that shocked people, her ice cold presentation was seen by many as proof that she was a Monster. But, should she have been judged so harshly for her cold appearance in court? And what led her to willingly and enthusiastically describe every detail of her crimes? In this episode of Bad People Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen discuss assumptions about psychopathy, whether autism can increase the risk of being the victim or perpetrator of violence, and how escalating and absurd rules are often a component of domestic violence that makes it hard to leave an abuser. Warning: This episode contains descriptions of extreme violence. Presenters: Dr Julia Shaw and Sofie Hagen Producer: Simona Rata Music: Matt Chandler Editor: Rami Tzabar Academic Consultants for The Open University: Lara Frumkin and James Munro Commissioning Assistant Producer: Adam Eland Commissioning Executive: Dylan Haskins Bad People is produced in partnership with The Open University and is a BBC Audio Science Production for BBC Sounds. #BadPeople_BBC

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0:00.0	Hello, Gary Lednika here with Alan Shira and Mike Riches to say the match of the day Top 10 podcast is back
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0:14.7	First season wonders to goalkeeping blunders. Nothing is off the table. You had a few blunders in your day. Did you Gary?
0:22.0	Yeah, match of the day Top 10. Listen only on BBC sounds
0:27.4	BBC sounds, music, radio, podcasts.
0:32.1	This is the second part of two episodes on the infamous case of the horror house fun Hexster
0:38.7	So go listen to part one now if you haven't done so already and like on the last episode all of the footage in this episode is from my new TV show
0:46.3	Merderische Frauen on the German streaming service TV now. Julia, why did you choose this case?
0:52.0	That is an excellent question and there's two answers to this the first one is because when I started talking about doing a show on true crime for the German market
1:02.1	The team gave me about 15 different men who had murdered woman as options and I was like I just I don't want that
1:09.0	I don't want more stories of men murdering woman. I feel like we've heard that story so many times
1:14.4	And so I said go find me a woman and so they found me a woman with a man but fine
1:19.6	It's like a good start, but what really intrigued me was the way that this woman was described and so everyone kept describing
1:27.6	Angelica who is the female perpetrator in this case as being ice cold being
1:34.8	ruthless being a
1:36.3	Torture witch is a term that was used and every bone of my body when I heard this description went
1:42.5	No, something is wrong with this narrative and how we talk about female perpetrators. It's a lot of words for saying
1:47.9	She's not even that maternal
1:50.7	Basically
1:55.7	I wanted to investigate you know what it is about her that gives off this feeling is it is it just sexism?
2:02.5	That was my first assumption, but I think it's not just sexism now
2:04.8	So I think there is something about her that does make her unexpectedly unemotional
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