30YearsWar #80: Cardinal Sins [1647-1648]

When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

Zack Twamley

Phd, International Relations, Korean War, European History, 17th Century, 18th Century, Politics, 20th Century, Thirty Years' War, History, 19th Century, War, First World War

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🗓️ 31 May 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Here, in our third-last episode of the series, we take the time to analyse Cardinal Mazarin's motives. What kind of role did religious motivations, strategic motivations, political or economic or any other kind of motivation have upon his behaviour? Was he fighting for French security, or future French expansion?

In line with this, we look at the religious question in the Empire, which had appeared like an impossible riddle in previous years. How was it possible to make everyone happy, particularly when everyone involved had such conflicting ideas of justice, and such differing opinions on compromise. Only a joint effort could possibly bring about peace in such a sensitive arena, but if they could manage it, one of the great roadblocks in the way of a final settlement would be removed.

The Dutch may have watched these events with smug satisfaction - they managed to finalise their peace with Spain in early 1648, but not before making some fascinating proposals towards their French ally. Matters stuck fast on Lorraine though, as Mazarin proved unwilling to compromise on such a sensitive border region. Lorraine's complex fate was just one element in the tangled web of manouevre and intrigue, but one could argue that the writing was on the wall when it came to peace. The question was, would this writing be read, or erased as before?

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0:00.0	Picture this. Static cars, idling engines, angry horns.
0:08.6	Now, picture you, zooming past it all.
0:13.8	Light and breezy.
0:16.2	Ah, the sweet feeling of whizzing past traffic.
0:20.8	Book your train journey via avantiwestcoastcoast.coast.com.
0:25.1	Avante West Coast, feel good travel.
0:32.1	Thanks for your support on Patreon, Deborah Matthews.
0:36.8	Deborah was present with tissues at the ready during the negotiations between the Spanish and Dutch,
0:42.8	and these tissues were needed once the Spanish delegate, Gaspar de Bracamante,
0:47.7	third count of peñiranda, burst into tears at Dutch intransigence.
0:53.0	Good for you, Deborah.
0:54.6	This, of course, is all lie, but if you would like me to lie about you, you know where to go by now.
0:59.5	Patreon.com forward slash when diplomacy fails, or all to episode 80 of the 30 years war.
1:21.4	We're on our last legs with the series history friends, nearly 10 episodes deep into analyzing the piece of Westphalia.
1:29.6	Getting to the bottom of what happened is important. Of course it is, but it's also difficult,
1:34.7	because precious few accounts actually take the time to analyze what happened. By the time
1:40.2	you get to this point in most studies of the 30 Years' War, it seems like the authors are
1:44.8	pretty eager to fast forward the story up to 1648 and pretty much just summarize what was
1:50.6	agreed to. Us, on the other hand, well, we believe that the more fascinating elements of the story
1:56.2	are found once we dig a little deeper. So in this episode, we're going to set to a few tasks.
2:02.0	What were Cardinal Matzarin's guiding principles?
2:04.5	How did the religious settlement come about?
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