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Achtung Achtung, welcome to We Have Ways, it make you talk with me Al Murray and James Holland

and we have a very special edition of the podcast for you today, joined as we are by not one but two guests

although I can't quite believe we've managed to speak to someone about this, James, who are we talking to today?

Well, we've got Tessa Dunlop, who's obviously incredibly important and is a brilliant writer and historian

but I don't think Tessa will be the slightest bit annoyed with me for saying that we're also very excited

because we've got the wonderful Betty Webb here as well, who's former Atheist and the Second World Wars

worked at Bledchley Park, later on at the Pentagon as well, has seen many things in her life

and Betty, it's a great privilege to have you joining us and Tessa, to have you too

Thank you very much for coming on

We've done incredible code breaking, haven't we Betty? You're a week away from your 98th birthday

and getting on to Zoom, my goodness

I almost came up

That was just, this was help, we're all here, sounds good

It's, it's, I tell you about one night, because I was determined to see Betty one Sunday evening

and you know sometimes to land a Zoom, you have to identify traffic cones or bicycles, things like that

Yes

It's quite difficult if you don't see too well, how much it was about an hour, wasn't it Betty?

If you, you just carried on identifying those traffic cones until they finally gave in and admitted

she wasn't a robot

So, so Tessa, let's just, does it explain how you and Betty have become friends?

Well, years ago Betty, I wrote a book about Bledchley Park and Betty was a sort of new bile

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