meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Greg McKeown Podcast

306. The Power of Radical Kindness in Modern Leadership: A Conversation with James Rhee (Part 1)

The Greg McKeown Podcast

Greg McKeown

Education, Business, Self-improvement

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

About the Guest: James Rhee is the CEO, educator, and acclaimed author of "Red Helicopter: A Parable for Our Times." He holds the Johnson Chair of Entrepreneurship at Howard University and serves as a senior lecturer at both MIT and Duke Law School. Influenced by the caregiver values of his first-generation Korean immigrant parents, James has played a transformative role in business and education, notably reviving Ashley Stewart from the brink of liquidation while advocating for leadership rooted in kindness and numerical acuity. Episode Summary: Greg McKeown hosts James Rhee, an accomplished CEO, educator, and author of the transformative book, "Red Helicopter: A Parable for Our Times." Throughout the conversation, James Rhee uncovers his journey from a young Korean immigrant sharing his lunch in kindergarten to leading a monumental turnaround at Ashley Stewart. His story is rich with lessons on resilience, transformation, and the undeniable power of kindness in leadership and everyday actions. James and Greg delve into the themes of chaos and intuition, discussing how modern life’s overwhelming noise can obscure our innate wisdom and kindness. James eloquently shares how the metaphor of the "red helicopter" symbolizes pure acts of kindness and navigates us towards simplicity amidst chaos. The episode also explores how the pursuit of success can sometimes stifle curiosity and diminish one's true self, with James reflecting on the years he spent following societal norms of success that ultimately left him unfulfilled. He challenges listeners to rediscover joy, connectedness, and meaningful human interactions in a world increasingly driven by digital distractions. Key Takeaways: The Power of Simple Acts: Small, intuitive acts of kindness, like sharing a meal, can have profound impacts and serve as a guiding principle throughout life. Navigating Chaos with Intuition: In a world filled with information overload, trusting one's intuition can help navigate the noise and make meaningful decisions. Distinction Between Intelligence and Wisdom: Being smart and being wise are distinct, with wisdom requiring lived experiences and the ability to ask deeper questions. Rediscovering Curiosity and Joy: Success shouldn't come at the cost of losing one's curiosity and joy in life. James encourages engaging in meaningful hobbies and reading for pleasure to enrich life. Human Connectedness: Emphasizing the Korean concept of Chung, James highlights the importance of genuine human connections that transcend time and space, vital for a fulfilling life. Notable Quotes: "The problem was very simple. There was a boy. I liked him. He made me laugh. He didn’t have food. I had some. I solved the problem and I gave it to him." — James Rhee "I felt myself becoming less interesting, you know, like lost hobbies. I have a big passion for music. Stopped playing music, stopped taking lessons." — James Rhee "Most of the books that get written these days, they profit off of you being confused." — James Rhee "Intelligence is about information and skills, but wisdom is about the lived experience and connecting with the deeper aspects of life." — Greg McKeown "Chung is like a connectedness between people. It’s a feeling of just... it’s a feeling that transcends linearity. It transcends. It bends time." — James Rhee Resources: James Rhee's Book: Red Helicopter: A Parable for Our Times Greg McKeown's Book: Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less TED Talk by James Rhee: "The Value of Kindness at Work" Join my weekly newsletter. Learn more about my books and courses. Join The Essentialism Academy. Follow me on LinkedIn, Instagram, X, Facebook, and YouTube. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:19.4

Welcome to another episode of the Greg McEwen Podcast. I'm your host and here we are honored to have James R. CEO, educator and now the author of the book, Red Helicopter, a parable for our times. Lead change with kindness plus a little math. This

0:25.5

beautiful book has swiftly captured people's imaginations and I think you'll see why James holds the

0:36.6

prestigious position of the Johnson chair of entrepreneurship at Howard

0:40.5

University and as a senior lecturer at both MIT and Duke Law School.

0:45.0

But beyond these impressive titles, James is a passionate educator and activist.

0:50.8

He's deeply influenced by the caregiver values of his first-generation

0:54.9

Korean immigrant parents. His journey into leadership is as compelling as it is

0:59.1

inspiring, began as you will see with a simple childhood act of sharing his lunch for which he received

1:06.0

a toy red helicopter, a symbol of kindness that later influenced his leadership philosophy.

1:12.2

This philosophy became pivotal when he took on the role of CEO at Ashley Stewart,

1:16.4

a company teetering on the brink of liquidation. What was intended to be a brief tenure turned into

1:21.5

a transformative seven-year voyage where he not only revived a faltering business but also fostered deep lasting connections with a team that became like family.

1:31.0

Amidst navigating these professional challenges, James faced profound personal

1:35.8

loss with the passing of both his parents, contrasting sharply with the joy of cultivating

1:40.9

genuine friendships and witnessing the undeniable impact of radical kindness.

1:46.0

Today James will share with us the powerful lessons from that journey, lessons of resilience,

1:51.0

transformation, the magic that unfolds when we lead with a generous heart.

1:55.0

So let's dive into this lightning conversation with James Reel. So, Oh, Welcome to the podcast.

2:28.0

Thank you Greg and that was a beautiful introduction and you can also add another thing to my list of things

2:34.4

I'm a big fan of your work and I really enjoyed your book when it first came out I

2:38.2

read it a few times over the course of my journey so thank you for having me

2:42.1

well that's a that's a beautiful addition as we get into this conversation for me personally.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Greg McKeown, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Greg McKeown and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.