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306. How to Launch a Behavior-Change Revolution

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🗓️ 26 October 2017

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Academic studies are nice, and so are Nobel Prizes. But to truly prove the value of a new idea, you have to unleash it to the masses. That's what a dream team of social scientists is doing — and we sat in as they drew up their game plan.

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Several months ago, we introduced you to a pair of University of Pennsylvania professors,

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Angela Duckworth.

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Hi, Stephen.

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And Katie Milkman.

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Hi.

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They wanted to solve a problem.

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A problem that if we fixed it could truly solve every social problem we could think of.

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The problem is ourselves.

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In other words, the problem with human beings is that they're human beings and that they

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repeatedly make decisions that undermine their own long-term well-being.

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So Duckworth and Milkman started putting together a project.

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We're now calling it behavior change for good with a deliberate double-entandra for good

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for permanent but for good for you.

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The idea was hatched in response to a competition from the MacArthur Foundation, the prize a $100

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million research grant.

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But the behavior change for good project didn't even advance to the final round.

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I was not only devastated but I was surprised.

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I mean, arrogance, I don't know, narcissism.

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I was shocked to hear that we were not advanced.

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But by then, Duckworth and Milkman were already recruiting a dream team of fellow researchers.

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They'd signed on a bunch of corporate partners and they'd fallen in love with their project.

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So they found some other money, not $100 million but enough to get it going.

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