Ask the question. If you don't ask the question you don't get and the worst that can happen is a no and then you just move on. All right for today's podcast we have Anna and Emma. This is unusual

podcast because it's very rare that I actually have more than one person on two

different feeds so we're going to work through this audience rather than me

tell you about who they are and there's something that I'm involved in we'll talk

about a little bit later why don't you guys introduce yourself first like

why don't Emma you introduce yourself and then we'll switch over to Anna.

Cool thank you. Well, hi everyone, I'm Emma Kate.

I'm a graphic designer turned web designer and I mentor other designers into how to build a web design business and together with

Anna Dower I have the designer boss summit and the upcoming design camp and I'm

Anna Dower I am also a mentor for graphic designers. I'm what they call a seasoned designer.

I've been a designer for over 25 years now. I've been running my own business for 15 years.

I basically mentor designers to help them work smarter in their businesses.

Emma and I have created the designer boss summit together and we're very lucky to have Chris join us at Design Camp. Yay!

Yeah, and I'm glad to participate.

So what's interesting is we're kind of

work shopping ideas that we can talk about that I think would be of interest or a broader audience.

It's not that often that we have female entrepreneurs, but two female entrepreneurs coming together to do a summit.

I feel like I'm sorry if I'm saying things I might hurt people's feelings.

It's kind of a boys club, it feels like.

So let's talk about the uniqueness and your perspective and why you created this summit to begin with.

Well, Emma and I worked together for a little bit. I was her mentor and we had a really good connection and when the

pandemic hit in 2020 we kind of saw the design community freaking out. There was a whole sense of being unknown, are we going to survive this? And

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