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What me worry? Well today we're going to talk about worrying, not that there's anything in this world to worry about in the church or in the world, not at all.

Well, maybe a little bit. Gary Z. Mack is the man to talk about the antidote to worry, the sources of hope, encouragement, and light.

We're going to talk about worried based on a book he wrote along the way, and we'll reminisce about our time together in previous broadcasts and the theme of worry and how it plagues so many people on the Patrick Coffin show.

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Coming up next, Gary Z. Mack on how to stop worrying and start living on the Patrick Coffin show, but first this fake celebrity endorsement.

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Happy to talk again with Gary Z. Mack, with whom we spoke on Catholic Answers Live, and I've been in and out of touch with him that I remember.

His book, The Warriors, A Warriors Guide, not Warriors, A Warriors Guide to the Bible, which was a nice light bulb experience for me. Gary, so good to see you again, brother.

Good to see you, Patrick. It's been too long. It really has, but thanks for having me on.

Back in the day, you hadn't really focused on worry as a kind of a bleeding neck that a lot of people have.

You've discovered this is a major primal thing that people deal with, this constant worry, anxiety, fear.

How many different synonyms are there to describe worry?

Yeah, so many, Patrick, and I have to say, I don't know if you remember this. You and I had a conversation off air when I was...

I originally got into my full-time ministry 10 years ago. It was based on a pretty major conversion experience I had from being incredibly lukewarm to really encountering Christ and being on fire for him.

Somehow, I got into this worry thing because I've always been somebody who tends to be anxious, but then I wanted to move on.

I thought, well, okay, I've talked about worry now. Let me just focus on Jesus and more general topics.

You said, no, this is your thing. This worry thing is a great way to lead people to Christ.

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