Happy New Year. We closed out 2019 with a series of episodes with Dick Metz.

And today we're going to complete that series with our fourth installment.

Dick tells us about a cross-country road trip in a motorhome with Hobie Alter,

Phil Edwards, Bruce Brown, Mike Hinson, Corky Carroll, and Joey Cabell.

He tells us about the deal he struck with the Hilton Hotel family to finance Hobie

skateboard business.

And he responds to your questions about potential illegitimate children spawned from his world

travels, how diet, exercise, and drugs have influenced his health and memory well into his 90th

year of life. But first, we're going to revisit Laef Braun and Jamin Luoto from NVS Fens.

We've been chatting about their Apex series.

It's a G10 fiberglass, so it's basically the type of fiberglass you'd use on a circuit board.

So industrial grade, it has the ideal fiber to resin ratio.

That allows less buildup and layering of materials, so the foil is more refined, creates less water disturbance, and you simply go faster.

Listeners have responded, and they began purchasing fins and sending me positive feedback.

One person even told me that NBS was able to make them a custom templated fin, and it was still

cheaper than fins they would have bought off the rack.

So through this conversation, Leif made reference to the fact that NVS has been a 10-year

project. So I asked,

what was the realization he had that inspired him to focus on NVS full-time? In 2011, I found

I had kidney cancer, so I'm fine. I took part of my kidney out. We're cool. But it was the, you only live once.

So if you're passionate about something, go out and do it and do it right.

I just started focusing more time and energy on it.

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