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This is how to get started, how to get better, and how to front run the opportunity. This is Ryan Sean Adams. I'm here with

David Hoffman and we're here to help you become more bangless. David, what an

epic interview with Kane man. It was great.

Yeah, I really think that these, this Defi Founders series that we're doing, that we started with

Stani with our last episode and this episode with Kane and then I really think that these

episodes are really going to be a fantastic snapshot of the the pre- Bowl market before before like all this explosion of innovation and development happens, which I'm crossing my fingers does happen, right?

And so what we're trying to do with these episodes is we are both trying to focus in on the founders of these specific protocols, the actual individuals themselves, you know,

Stani, Kane, Sergei, Hugh, and focus in on exactly what about them created these protocols, but then also simultaneously create like a canonical what is Ave, what is synthetics, what is ChainLink episode at the same time, and also create a snapshot for where

these protocols are when the start of the bull market really got roaring, right? So that's what these episodes are about and that's what this

episode with cane of synthetics is all about can and himself is a really interesting figure and he's done a

ton of podcast right so but the reason why we wanted to get him

specifically on is really get the background on cane himself right

because cane is a pretty interesting guy he's like he's a crypto anarchist and crypto anarchists are super interesting and so we get into that

conversation which I've never seen Kane talk about before and so that was kind of

my big big highlight of this episode is kind of seeing how

cane thinks in the world and how that how he thinks and how that got related into

the Synthetics protocol Ryan what did you take away from this episode?

Yeah I think the the patterns and the archetypes of these crypto and native founders are basically,

they're really setting the playbook for how other D-5 protocols are going to be formed in the future, right?

So you see these protocols like constantly learning from each other on, you know, how to how to build a community, how to, you

create your incentives. In our episode with Stani last week he talked about how his

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