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My name is Jason Snell.

I normally don't read this part of the show because Mike Hurley does but Mike is on vacation and so he couldn't take it

two episodes in a row where he and I spoke to each other in person face to face across the

table and he just couldn't take it he he cracked up and had to be sent away

for some rest and relaxation to get his head together.

So instead I have a guest, a guest star visiting me and I believe this is the first time that he and I have

shared a tech podcast together, although we've been on many episodes of the incomparable and other

things together.

It's your favorite from ATP. It's John

Syracusea. Hi John. I'm pretty sure we did a 5 by 5 special about an Apple event or something

that we were both there. That could be that's possible. I just think it's funny. We should just talk about me asaki just in case though.

Oh yeah, we can do that. Let's make some people who are very angry when Michael and I talked about movies that he hasn't seen

that I made him watch and they're like, I didn't sign up for this.

It's like, well, we put it at the end.

You could like tune, just stop it if...

Did you put it after the song oh wait yeah we do have a

song we have a little we have a little song we could have done that we haven't

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