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Romance of the Three Kingdoms Podcast

3 Kingdoms 053: I Find Your Argument Illogical!

Romance of the Three Kingdoms Podcast

John Zhu

Books, Arts, History

4.9676 Ratings

🗓️ 6 October 2015

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

When Zhuge Liang finds himself in the same room as the Southlands’ foremost academics, the gloves come off and jabs fly. Verbal jabs, of course.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms podcast.

0:11.8

This is episode 53.

0:14.7

Last time, Sun Quan's advisor, Liu Su, had brought Zhuge Liang to the Southlands to meet with his master, in the hopes of forming

0:23.2

an alliance between Liu Bei and the Southlands to resist Cao Cao. But when Lu Su went to see

0:30.3

Sun Quan, he found the other advisors all were telling him that Cao Cao was too strong and that it

0:36.4

was in everyone's best interest to surrender.

0:40.3

Sun Quan was nonplussed by this, and while he was taking a bathroom break, Lu Su told him that

0:46.3

while everyone else could surrender to Cao Cao, Sun Quan alone could not.

0:52.3

For the likes of me, Lu Su said, surrender means being sent back to my hometown.

0:58.0

Eventually, I can work my way back into high office again.

1:03.0

But if you surrender, you would not be able to go home.

1:07.0

Your rank would be no more than a marquee.

1:10.0

You would have but one carriage, one horse,

1:12.8

and a few servants. You would be no one's master. Everyone else was just trying to save themselves.

1:19.8

You must not listen to them. It is time to make a master plan for yourself.

1:26.2

Now if you think about it, Lu Su's analysis was pretty spot on.

1:31.2

Look at what happened when Cao Cao took over Jing province.

1:34.6

All the officials and officers who surrendered made out pretty well with nice ranks and titles,

1:40.4

but their former lord, Liu Cong, met an ignoble end.

1:45.5

Sun Quan himself had just been pressed by his own advisors to surrender,

1:49.7

and those advisors were no doubt looking out for themselves.

1:53.8

Lu Su, however, showed his loyalty in placing Sun Quan's interest above his own.

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