This is CBSI in the World. I'm John Bachelors. John McMacon is the author of the new book

Stalin's War, a professor at Bard College. Stalin has needled, hectored, used the rhetoric

of second front for years. Well, here it comes, 1944. We know it is D-Day. However, there

are many details inside this before D-Day actually happens. It's important to explore

them all, and it has to do with the lend lease. First protocol, second protocol, third

protocol. It's not just the dollar figure, which is enormous. It's the ability of the

Soviets to plunder the United States, hold forward factories, suitcases of what we call

intellectual property. At that time, they would have called them blueprints. Being guarded

by NKVD men with submachine guns as they're transferred, unopened boxes to the Soviet Union.

John, I had the image while I'm reading your very careful and shocking explication of

not just 70,000 tons of sugar in the first protocol, but those boxes of plans in the

third protocol extended. I had this image that all of this equipment, all of these blueprints

all of the technology, all of the pieces of the Ford plant went to some warehouse in the

Soviet Union and was never touched. Just a winter outside, Stalin was doing it because

this is the highway men from the Tiflus massacre. Grab as much as you can and think about it

afterwards. So did Hopkins know this was happening? Did FDR know this was happening? Did

Stentinius, a friend of Hopkins, who will later become the Secretary of State for Truman

for Heaven's sakes, but did Stentinius know that they were plundering American technology?

Well, Hopkins certainly knew. I don't think Stentinius knew everything in part because

I don't think Hopkins always revealed everything to him. And I also don't think Roosevelt

probably knew the full extent of the story, but Hopkins absolutely did. I mean, there's

evidence of Hopkins personally intervening to make sure that this one famous shipment

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