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3/8: Three years later, the Pandemic breaks #PRC healthcare, confidence and recovery: 3/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century, by Josh Rogin.

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🗓️ 15 January 2023

⏱️ 11 minutes

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3/8: Three years later, the Pandemic breaks #PRC healthcare, confidence and recovery: 3/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century, by Josh Rogin.

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The explosive, behind-the-scenes story of Donald Trump’s high-stakes confrontation with Beijing, from an award-winning Washington Post columnist and peerless observer of the U.S.–China relationship

There was no calm before the storm. Donald Trump’s surprise electoral victory shattered the fragile understanding between Washington and Beijing, putting the most important relationship of the twenty-first century in the hands of a novice who had bitterly attacked China from the campaign trail. Almost as soon as he entered office, Trump brought to a boil the long-simmering rivalry between the two countries, while also striking up a “friendship” with Chinese president Xi Jinping — whose manipulations of his American counterpart would undermine the White House’s already disjointed response to the historic challenge of a rising China. All the while, Trump’s own officials fought to steer U.S. policy from within.

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office

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I'm John Batser, continuing with Josh Rogan, the author of the new book Chaos Under Heaven,

0:40.4

Trump She and the Battle for the 21st Century. 2017 sets the scale of the operation for the

0:47.8

Trump administration. We have competing factions within large personalities. 2017 ends with Donald

0:55.0

Trump traveling to Asia, the APEC meeting, acknowledging that she is president for life

1:01.1

of the people's Republic of China and also mixing in the fact that Wall Street has ambitions

1:06.9

to continue to invest and profit in China. It's a giant market. However, now we have to

1:13.5

introduce something I learned about for the first time in Josh's book, The Bingo Club.

1:19.7

Josh, what is The Bingo Club? The Bingo Club was a group of government officials, congressional

1:26.9

staffers, experts, and even a couple journalists who met Critly and Wall Street in 2017 and

1:32.7

2017 and 2018 to discuss Chinese, Malayan foreign influence and interference in American politics

1:39.0

and in American society. This is an issue that in 2021 we talk about quite openly, but

1:44.8

in that time and space it was something that no part of the US government was pointed at

1:49.7

and that nobody was really discussing in public. Because of that, this group had a huge influence

1:55.7

on not only how the US government operated when looking for and then dealing with instances

2:01.4

of Chinese Communist Party interference and influence operations, but it also had a big

2:08.3

sort of impact on how those issues eventually spilled out into various parts of our policy,

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