3/7/25 William van Wagenen: A Deep Dive on the Situation in Syria

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Scott Horton

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🗓️ 8 March 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Scott brings William van Wagenen on to talk about what he observed on his recent trip to Syria. They dig into what’s happened since the Jihadists took control last December, often looking to parallels in the ISIS takeover of western Iraq about a decade ago. They also look at the broader geopolitical dynamic of the region and consider how all of this will play out in the next few years. Discussed on the show: Van Wagenen’s article at The Libertarian Institute Van Wagenen’s article at The Cradle William Van Wagenen has a BA in German literature From Brigham Young University and an MA in Theological Studies from Harvard Divinity School. You can read his other writings on Syria for the Libertarian Institute here. Follow him on Twitter @wvanwagenen This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: Roberts and Robers Brokerage Incorporated; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; Libertas Bella; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott. Get Scott’s interviews before anyone else! Subscribe to the Substack. Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	All right, y'all, welcome to the Scott Horton Show.
0:12.3	I'm the director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of antivore.com, author of the book, Fool's Aaron, Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and the brand new, enough already.
0:23.8	Time to end the war on terrorism.
0:25.9	And I've recorded more than 5,500 interviews since 2003, almost all on foreign policy, and all available for you at scothorton.4.
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0:39.4	is also available at youtube.com slash scott horton show all right you guys introducing once again
0:49.2	william van wagenin he is a great journalist at the Canary and also at the Libertarian Institute.
0:57.0	You might remember we published his extremely long-form articles about Obama's dirty war in Syria 10 years ago and in the time since.
1:06.0	And now he has put together this great book, Creative Chaos, Inside the CIA's Covert War
1:12.6	to topple the Syrian government.
1:15.0	And he's just back from Syria as well.
1:19.4	And oh, and I was going to say, we were about to publish the book.
1:23.6	And then there was a big regime change in December.
1:27.4	And so the book got put on hold and William went to Syria and now he's back again.
1:31.5	That's how I should have introduced him.
1:33.1	So welcome home.
1:34.2	How are you and what all is going on in the world, William?
1:39.5	Oh, hey, Scott.
1:41.1	Nice to talk to you again.
1:42.4	It's been quite a while.
1:43.8	But yeah, I'm doing okay.
1:47.2	Like you said, I was just in Syria for a couple months, and so that was really crazy and
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