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3/4: The gritty and violent melting pot: 3/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob by Russell Shorto

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 18 February 2023

⏱️ 11 minutes

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3/4: The gritty and violent melting pot: 3/4: Smalltime: A Story of My Family and the Mob by Russell Shorto
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https://www.amazon.com/Smalltime-Story-My-Family-Mob/dp/0393245586/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Family secrets emerge as a best-selling author dives into the history of the mob in small-town America.


The best-selling author Russell Shorto, praised for his incisive works of narrative history, never thought to write about his own past. He grew up knowing his grandfather and namesake was a small-town mob boss but maintained an unspoken family vow of silence. Then an elderly relative prodded: You’re a writer―what are you gonna do about the story?


Smalltime is a mob story straight out of central casting―but with a difference, for the small-town mob, which stretched from Schenectady to Fresno, is a mostly unknown world. The location is the brawny postwar factory town of Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The setting is City Cigar, a storefront next to City Hall, behind which Russ and his brother-in-law, “Little Joe,” operate a gambling empire and effectively run the town.


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His new book is Small Time, a story of my family and the mob.

0:45.0

It's also a story of Americana, from migration to enterprise to criminality.

0:52.0

Criminality to transforming the landscape to memory.

0:56.0

That's where we are in the 21st century.

0:58.0

It is now the late 1930s.

1:01.0

Millie and Joe are together after Joe does a time in bars.

1:07.0

Millie goes to take him home to Johnstown.

1:10.0

She doesn't like Philadelphia. It's too big. It's too noisy.

1:13.0

Joe is now partnering with Russell.

1:18.0

And their partnership will be extremely successful.

1:22.0

Russell, I want to understand these partnerships. They were never independent agents.

1:27.0

It seemed that they were always connected to larger and larger versions of themselves.

1:32.0

So Joe, Regina, and Russell Chorto, they will find an enterprise called City Sagar.

1:39.0

But they don't do that independent of larger organized crime.

1:45.0

Do they relate to Philadelphia or Pittsburgh at this point?

1:48.0

How is Johnstown connected to the web of organized crime?

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