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3/4: Tactical Nuclear Weapons and NATO by Tom Nichols (Author), Douglas Stuart, Jeff McCausland (Author),

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2023

⏱️ 15 minutes

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3/4: Tactical Nuclear Weapons and NATO by Tom Nichols (Author), Douglas Stuart, Jeff McCausland (Author),

https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Nuclear-Weapons-NATO-Nichols/dp/1479181951

The role and future of tactical nuclear weapons in Europe are subjects that sometimes surprise even experts in international security, primarily because it is so often disconcerting to remember that these weapons still exist. Many years ago, an American journalist wryly noted that the future of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was “a subject that drives the dagger of boredom deep, deep into the heart”— a dismissive quip which would have remained true right up until the moment World War III broke out. The same goes for tactical nuclear weapons: compared to the momentous issues that the East and West have tackled since the end of the Cold War, the scattering of hundreds (or in the Russian case, thousands) of battlefield weapons throughout Europe seems to be almost an afterthought, a detail left behind that should be easy to tidy up. Such complacency is unwise. Tactical nuclear weapons (or NSNWs, “non-strategic nuclear weapons”) still exist because NATO and Russia have not fully resolved their fears about how a nuclear war might arise, or how it might be fought. They represent, as Russian analyst Nikolai Sokov once wrote, “the longest deadlock” in the history of arms control. Washington and Moscow, despite the challenges to the “reset” of their relations, point to reductions in strategic arms as a great achievement, but strategic agreements also reveal the deep ambiguity toward nuclear weapons as felt by the former superpower rivals. The numbers in the 2010 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) are lower than at any point in history, but they are based on leaving each side a reliable ability to destroy up to 300 urban targets each. Inflicting this incredible amount of destruction is, on its face, a step no sane national leader would take. But it is here that tactical weapons were meant to play their dangerous role, for they would be the arms that provided the indispensable bridge from peace to nuclear war. Thus, the structures of Cold War nuclear doctrines on both sides remain in place, only on a smaller scale.

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The book was published in 2012 during the Obama administration first term before the election.

1:06.8

There was at that time, advanced by President Obama, a concept called Global Zero,

1:12.8

moving towards all nuclear weapons to be ground into plowshares.

1:17.8

However, the Soviets, succeeded by the Russians, succeeded by Yeltsin Russians,

1:22.8

succeeded by Putin Russians, have consistent objections, whether they were the Soviet state or the Russian state.

1:30.8

The first is the objection.

1:32.8

If we're going to change our posture towards our new tactical nuclear weapons,

1:37.8

the US must withdraw all of its tactical nuclear weapons from its allies, all of them.

1:43.8

And at that point that would have meant France and Britain, but also the five nuclear states,

1:50.8

nuclear arms states that Jeff keeps reminding me of because I can never remember the list.

1:56.8

Germany, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands and Turkey.

2:01.8

All five had weapons stored in their sovereign territory at one point during the Cold War.

2:08.8

And the Russians insisted they withdraw those weapons.

2:11.8

We've already talked about how those weapons are a way of gluing together the NATO alliance

2:18.8

because it's credibility to protect individual states.

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