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This is a CBS I on the world. I'm John Bachelor speaking with colleagues Alan Howard, Daniel

Lusbaum and Brenda Schaefer of the Naval Postgraduate School, their new volume, which is a teaching

volume for professionals in the military and those attached through the U.S. government,

about operational energy here in the 21st century.

There are many historical examples and there are contemporary examples,

the war in Ukraine for example.

However, we're going to look to the future and the future involves taking into account the energy

expenditure of the services.

Brenda, I begin with you because what is striking to me, never seen it written down is the extreme

disparity between the services and energy demand consistent from the

chart that you provide since a fiscal year 2014.

The Army is needful.

They boast about their big tanks that it's not miles per gallon it's gallons per mile but the

overwhelming demand is by the US Air Force did that surprise you Brenda when you

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