This is CBS I In The World. I'm John Bachelors. I'm speaking with Jessica Pierce and Mark

Beckhoff. Their new book is A Dog's World, Imagine the Lives of Dogs in a World Without

Humans. Without humans, that's important here. There's going to be a transition and then

soon there will be dogs around the planet without humans feeding them or bothering them

or abusing them or expecting them to look a certain way. They'll have longer snouts

likely. They'll run likely. They'll be a medium weight unless there's a necessity for

heavy weights. They'll move in packs. But reproduction. Jessica, I come to you because

one of the striking details about dogs today is the paternal member, the parent father

does not, is not encouraged to stick around or doesn't stick around. And you and Marker

are speculating, imagining that there would likely be a change when dogs are alone. So

it wouldn't just be the maternal. It would be the paternal as well. Did I read that

correctly, Jessica? You did. In the way dogs, particularly pet dogs or dogs who are highly

controlled by humans, we hijack their reproductive process in various ways.

And one of the ways in which we do that is taking puppies away at the, what we consider

the perfect age for puppy acquisition, eight weeks or so. So you'll see people say,

well, dogs don't have father parental behaviors because we don't see male dogs engaging in

parenting of puppies. But that's, it's not because they can't or won't. It's because we don't

give them the opportunity to do that. And it's, you know, in studies, there aren't very many,

but a few studies of free-ranging dog parenting behaviors, males do sometimes play a role.

So do what are called the aloe parent, so aunts and uncles and older siblings will all probably

have a role in the raising of puppies because, you know, it takes a village.

Mark, it does take a village. How are the puppies to be protected without humans? And they do this

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