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3/4: Beijing remain quiet on the Prigozhin episode: 3/4: Today Hong Kong, Tomorrow the World: What China's Crackdown Reveals About Its Plans to End Freedom Everywhere by Mark L. Clifford

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🗓️ 25 June 2023

⏱️ 13 minutes

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3/4: Beijing remain quiet on the Prigozhin episode: 3/4: Today Hong Kong, Tomorrow the World: What China's Crackdown Reveals About Its Plans to End Freedom Everywhere by Mark L. Clifford

https://www.amazon.com/Today-Hong-Kong-Tomorrow-World/dp/1250279178

Today Hong Kong, Tomorrow the World tells the complete story of how a city once famed for protests so peaceful that toddlers joined grandparents in millions-strong rallies became a place where police have fired more than 10,000 rounds of tear gas, rubber bullets and even live ammunition at their neighbors, while pro-government hooligans attack demonstrators in the streets. A Hong Kong resident from 1992 to 2021, author Mark L. Clifford has witnessed this transformation firsthand. As a celebrated publisher and journalist, he has unrivaled access to the full range of the city’s society, from student protestors and political prisoners to aristocrats and senior government officials. A powerful and dramatic mix of history and on-the-ground reporting, this book is the definitive account of one of the most important geopolitical standoffs of our time.

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0:00.0

This is CBSI in the World. I'm John Bachelworth, the author, Mark Clifford, the journalist,

0:10.2

Mark Clifford. Today Hong Kong, tomorrow the world, where China's crackdown reveals

0:14.8

about its plans to end freedom everywhere. Mark arrives in Hong Kong in 1992. At that

0:20.6

point, everybody in China, I read, was still reacting to thinking about or unaware of

0:27.7

something that horrible had happened in Beijing in 1989, that we now refer to as Tiananmen.

0:36.0

What was Tiananmen to the people of Hong Kong when you arrived, Mark? Can you cast your youth

0:41.4

and imagine what they were saying about it, what they thought about it every June when

0:45.6

the anniversary came? Well, they didn't wait until every June, pretty much every day.

0:50.4

They were conscious that in five years, they were going to be taken over by the Chinese Communist

0:54.9

Party. The slogan was, today's China is tomorrow's Hong Kong. That's what started, that

1:01.6

was appeared during the Pro-Democracy Protests of 1989, not just in Beijing, but in dozens

1:07.7

and scores of cities around China. Hundreds of people were killed outside of Beijing. Hong

1:14.7

Kong was very aware that the brutality that they saw in China, displayed by the leadership,

1:22.0

to kill some of the best and the brightest of the students in Beijing and others around

1:27.1

the country, that brutality, that leadership was going to be taken over Hong Kong in five

1:31.8

years. There was a lot of fear. I moved in June, mid 1992, June, and it was a couple months

1:38.8

after the Supreme Leader, Deng Xiaoping, had made a famous Southern tour, which was trying

1:45.0

to re-want to the south of China from Beijing. He was in his 90s then, and it was late

1:50.2

80s then, and he was trying to revitalize economic reforms because Deng had started economic

1:56.6

reforms after the disastrous Mao years, and they had gotten some purchase, gotten going,

2:02.0

but it was still early days, and then the Tiananmen killing just stopped everything. Deng

2:06.8

was trying to restart the economy and restart the economy, but keep politics under control.

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