Welcome. I'm Dr. Vinay Prasad. I'm a hematologist, oncologist, and I'm associate professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. In my professional life, I see patients, I teach trainees, and I do research in health care policy. This is Plenary Session.

Plenary Session is a podcast at the intersection of medicine, oncology, and health policy,

and you're listening to Season 3.

On this week's episode.

This week on Plenary Session, you're in for a real treat.

I've got, yes, this week we're going to talk about a range of issues. First, I have Professor Leah Littman.

Leah Littman is assistant professor of law at the University of Michigan. She's a former clerk

for Justice Anthony Kennedy. She's going to talk about something that we have broached on this

podcast but have not delved into head-on. We've talked a lot about Norman Wang and whether or not the retribution he faced was commensurate

with his crime of writing that paper.

And I felt, still feel that there are some issues with the process of how he was treated.

But along the way, we've been detoured from the bigger question, which is, what is the

legal question of affirmative action? What is the law currently? Which direction is the law going?

And why the direction the law is going may be flawed. Professor Littman is a thoughtful constitutional

law scholar who's going to take us through this argument. This is a very

important discussion. It's important not to forget how a debate could have occurred on this

issue instead of being derailed by the process of how this person was treated in response to his views.

And listen to Professor Littman describe how law professors with views very similar to Mr. Norman

Wang are treated in the legal profession.

You won't want to miss that discussion.

Next.

We can't forget this is still an oncology podcast, and God willing, we will be back to

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