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Hey, gang. In the face of the seemingly unremitting horror of 2020, is it possible or even wise to

generate gratitude? My guest today argues, yes, DeRot Williams is a long time practitioner and

teacher of meditation. She's one of the guiding teachers at the Insight Meditation Society and

Barry Massachusetts. She's also had a clinical mental health private practice in Manhattan for

many years. DeRot says only semi-facitiously that she believes gratitude should be considered

the fifth Brahma Vihara. As you know, or I hope you know, we just wrapped up our special election

sanity series here on the podcast where we explored the ancient Buddhist list called the four Brahma

Viharas. Loving kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy, and equanimity. By the way, speaking of

election sanity, we're also running a special meditation challenge on the 10% Happier app. Technically,

it started yesterday, but it's definitely not too late to join. It's only a week long, and the

goal here is to help you stay engaged in this banana's election season without losing your mind. So

go ahead and download the 10% Happier app today to get started. But back to gratitude,

the alleged fifth Brahma Vihara. Let's dive in now with DeRot Williams. Here we go.

Hello, DeRot. First time on the podcast. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it.

Thank you, Dan. Yes, it is. I'm really excited. You made time for this. So thank you.

You're welcome. You're welcome. You said something super interesting. Well, you said a bunch of

super interesting things before we started rolling. The first one I want to latch onto and

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