Welcome to the tech policy podcast. I'm Corbyn Barthold. Orrin Kura's here. He is a professor at the University of

California, Berkeley School of Law. He's a well-known guru of criminal procedure. More than 40 of his

law review articles have been cited in judicial opinions. Seven of them have been cited by the

Supreme Court, unless the court's cite to his work in an opinion earlier this month makes

eight.

Maybe he can tell us.

But indeed, in that recent opinion, Van Buren versus United States, which interprets the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, Professor Kerr pops up all over the place, both through

his academic work and his amicus brief in the case, and in both the court's opinion and the

dissent. I, for one, am impressed. Today, though, we're going to be talking about another topic

on which Professor Kerr is an authority, border searches of digital devices. As Professor Kerr will explain, this area of law is a mess.

But at its conference this week, the Supreme Court will consider three cert petitions,

one brought by the federal government, one brought by the ACLU, and one brought by a pro se that give the justices a chance to provide some clarity.

Professor Kerr, it is an honor to have you on.

Corbin, it's great to be here.

It's a great topic and couldn't be more timely, so happy to talk.

Indeed.

We are recording this the day before the conference,

and this will probably come out before they reach a decision. But I have a feeling that most of our

listeners will know that this has either been granted or not. If it's granted, how timely.

If it's not, this remains a very important topic that is likely to get

taken sooner or later. So let's dive in. We're talking about the Fourth Amendment, the border,

and digital devices. So, you know, when you're entering the country, basically, can a border

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