Welcome to the Patrick Coffin Show. I have been looking forward to this conversation with two very brave articulate Catholics for a long time.

And we're going to talk about a lot of problems that are hiding in plain sight that have to do with evil.

Evil, not just sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, but the way the abuse is deflected upon, denied, distracted from, ultimately the victims get re-victimized.

My guest today is Rachel, Master Giacomo, herself a victim of Satanic ritual abuse at the hands of a man named Jacob Bertrand, former priest of the Dices of San Diego.

An amazing story, and we're going to have Rachel back on for a second episode with writer Jean Camolca.

But today she's joined by Dr. Leon Pottles, author of the church, excuse me, the church impotent and sacrilege sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.

Both guests are going to dispense red pills, and you're not going to want to miss this episode. In fact, I recommend beforehand that you share it.

Coming up next, both those guests, Rachel and Lee.

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This guy, Patrick Coffin, I've seen him write Pulp Fiction about a deer hunter. Catch him if you can. Don't even think he wears a watch. Wow.

So honored to speak with my new friend Rachel, Master Giacomo. I've heard of her story for a well over a year now, and Rachel, what can I say besides welcome to the Patrick Coffin Show. Thanks for being here.

Oh, Patrick, it's such a gift. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so grateful.

Well, we'll get into your story in a moment, but I do want to bring in Dr. Lee Pottles, his website is pottles.org. That's P-O-D-L-E-S. Welcome back, sir. Good to see you.

Thanks very much.

Maybe I can start with you, Lee, because your book sacrilege that you self-published is a magnificent, although difficult to read account of how the Catholic church through corrupt bishops

let all kinds of predator priests off the hook when they weren't being busy in silencing victims from Mount Casual in Newfoundland, which was the 80s version of Boston in 2002 to the summer of shame with Ted McCarrick and so on.

Let me start with a question about why what personal angle is there for you?

You and I spoke about your own victimization when you were in a seminary program, I believe. So this is not just research. This is personal for you, correct?

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