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Hello, hello, hello. Okay, happy Tuesday, ends up getting out. We have a pretty special show tonight tonight. This is Andrea. And you should know, and joining me tonight is not the old skate daddy Tanzi. We have Abby Ellsworth from Unbeing a police officer podcast. Many of you are familiar with Abby and we also have a very special guest

Linda Byron as investigative journalist. We'll talk a bit about her background that now does some things on her own and has a pretty extensive background there. So welcome, ladies.

Thank you. Thanks.

Okay, so for those of you who are not aware, this is the failure podcast. This is our Tuesday night night shift crime show. We have shows multiple days five days a week now. We have our Monday night show

with Eric Tanzi and JD White. And it's a bit of a

comedy show, if you will, we have the Tuesday nights here. And then we have our Wednesday night, which airs on the third last call show tonight have comm center with three breezy and Jonathan Bates.

And then for our flagship, excuse me, flagship breakdown show of all things police related. So tonight we are going to dig into a case from 2011, which is

super interesting. I put it in the chat. If you're just listening, we do have the victims father listening tonight. He will very likely be available to answer some questions at the end of the show of time permits.

So just keep that in mind as we're listening and try to keep an open mind about some things. But let me tell you a little bit about Abby. Abby, if you're watching is on the bottom there, I'm not a producer.

I'm going to buy nature. So everyone's names typed up here. Just be glad that we're on air to be fair. So we have Abby there in the glasses in the black jacket at the bottom if you are watching. So she hosts the podcast on or not. I'm being a police officer.

So Abby is a civilian, but she has made a niche interviewing law enforcement officers. So she's out west and some things happened out there that she can tell you a little bit about a few years ago that really spurred her interest in

really just opening the conversation with law enforcement as a civilian and trying to do exactly what we talk about in this show all the time, bridging that gap.

asking hard questions, intuitive questions, thoughtful questions, and getting answers on things that maybe we have an all thought about or just to give us a different perspective on some cases there. And I think that a big part of Abby's mission is to let law enforcement know that, you know, there are these can be this can be a tough time to be a police officer and this, you know, it's an open heart to let people know that there are plenty of civilians who

you know are very thankful and happy and interested in what they have to do. So Abby, you are welcome to expand upon that a bit if you will.

And then I'll let you go interview or introduce Linda for us since you were kind enough to link us up.

Jay, well, Linda is actually indelibly tied to my being involved with law enforcement. I had an entire career in PR that moved out here.

And as you've heard me talk about withdrew on failure to stop it in my podcast in late 2009 five area Seattle officers were ambushed and murdered.

And it became my mission to recognize them. And my feeling was you cannot support law enforcement only when tragedy strikes. It's something you have to do every day. So I, which actually with Linda's help, Linda made introduction for me to the Seattle police department.

I've been working with law enforcement ever since then to tell the stories of law enforcement. And a lot of it was photo work, video work.

But in 2020 I started the podcast and it was in the height of the civil unrest and the riots here. And I just thought officers need a platform officers need a safe place to talk about how they're feeling they're under attack.

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