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Well, I had concerns about the organization from the beginning, because any program that

seduces people to abandon their lives to serve their agenda rather than empowering your pre-existing

life, there's something off about that. So I watched her get sucked in and joined what they call the coaching path.

But I didn't want to interfere as a mom. You know, you don't want to criticize your children. But then at the end of April this year,

and she'd been in for six years already, I got a call from somebody who had defected and she said, you have to save your daughter.

And I said, well, I want to be respectful of her choices as an adult, and I thought she'd wake up one day and come out of her own

relation. And she said, I don't think so. I think she's been in too long. Do you know what's going on? And then she told me about the secret group within the organization called

the boss, Domino's, or something like that, in term, meaning dominant over slave, and that my daughter was involved in this kind of slave master

situation, and that apparently they were all having sex with Keith, and that they were supposed to recruit other young

women to be slaves as their assignments, and they were giving out assignments to have sex with him. And then I found out that she could be branded with his initials, and I lost my

mind. I mean, there went the cool parent of tolerating what my child, I mean, she's over 18, but I was like, this is very, very dangerous.

Of course. And then the more I learned, because defectors came and told me about their experiences, the more concerned I became,

and I realized that I did, well, I didn't intervention with her at the end of May, and I failed.

How many people know what next-sem is? Have you heard about this cult that a lot of people don't, which I'm surprised, because it was a documentary, and now you have your documentary, which I think is really insightful, but explain what next-sem is to people if they don't know.

Well, next-sem proposed themselves as a self-help organization, when really it was a criminal organization masking as personal growth.

Next-sem was the umbrella company. So there were a lot of little companies underneath that umbrella, and executive success programs was the one that we were introduced to.

Right, EESP, which I had heard about ESP. A lot of people were doing that, and I had no idea that it started with ESP. So that's how you first got involved.

Right, so you take her because you're both interested in spiritual growth.

Actually, a trusted friend kept calling me and saying, this program is going to change your life, and she was incredibly insistent, and what we didn't realize in retrospect, she was recruiting us.

From someone you trusted and you thought, well, when you start listening to it, it was like, oh, some of that stuff makes sense. It starts really slow.

And then it stopped going, right? I was a student. I was taking classes. She got sucked in more. She became a coach. I wasn't interested. And then at one point, I was handed an article basically alleging that he was a pedophile.

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