You know picking up sort of one thread from this what you're I think you're encouraging and I think that you have embodied this in your own life is lifelong learning, which as a term doesn't necessarily spark the imagination.

It's not like, oh yes, my goodness, lifelong learning, it's what I've always wanted.

But it is something that has been life-changing for me and it is something that my

wife Anna and I have worked really intentionally and repeatedly to try to encourage in our children and particularly to remove the things that would shut that down in them.

Well, like frankly, some of traditional school that seems to almost universally suffocate

the natural curiosity in children and a natural interest in reading for example.

I mean those are just tangible examples but this idea

it is its own paradigm that we are to learn

as a perpetual experience that one of the things that's done for me

is that I now think of myself as a late bloomer and it's not because everything didn't work well in my

teenage years or in my 20s but suddenly things that didn't seem possible to me in my 30s now seem possible to me things that I didn't seem possible to me in my 30s now seem possible to me.

Things that I didn't think I could learn, I'm learning.

And I don't know, that's something like the closest thing we have to magic.

Because you... closest thing we have to magic because you can it's a perpetual manifestation of the

discovery that there is a space between thinking and acting and once you enter it you say well what else can I learn what else can be upgraded and I think I want to just share one additional thing that I think is interesting, that it keeps coming to my mind that Steve Jobs, who was clearly someone who was a lifelong learner, clearly somebody who was trying to create space

between thoughts and actions,

and challenging not just all the thoughts

that were embedded in him all of that software but his own thinking.

And Johnny I've talked about how he would get frustrated with his own mind that the Steve would get frustrated with the

limitations of his own thinking which I think is a very distinct kind of

highly elevated enlightened matter way of looking at yourself.

You that you have examined your thinking enough and that you go, how why is it still thinking like that?

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