Hello everybody, it's Sarah here from the Squiggly Careers podcast. Just before we dive into today's

episode, I just wanted to borrow you just for a minute or so to let you know about a new program

that we're launching all about Squiggle and Stay. Some of you might have listened to that episode

a couple of weeks ago or maybe you've read our new HBR article on reimagining retention.

And as part of our commitment to making careers better for everyone,

we're looking for 10 organisations to work with who are really keen to experiment

with how they can support people to progress and develop in different directions in their organisations.

So hopefully we'll bring lots of ideas and collaboration and we're

looking for people all over the world to join in with this program. We're looking for about 10

organisations and if you want to find out more, you can email me at sarah at amazingif.com.

Or if you go on to my LinkedIn page, you'll see a squiggle and stay post which has a PDF

all about the project and we've got two calls set up on the 20th of July and 1st of August

where your organisation can find out more so I really hope that feels relevant for some

of you listening and we'll now get started with today's podcast.

Hello, I'm Sarah Ellis and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast, where each week we talk about a different topic to do with work and hopefully give you some ideas for action and tools to try

out that are really going to help you to navigate your squiggly career with that bit more

confidence, clarity and control. And I'm not joined by Helen this week because this is one of our

Ask the Expert episodes where we see someone who we think is doing some really insightful and

useful work in the area of careers. Usually there's got a real kind of deep dive perspective on a certain

topic and we really want to talk to them to find out more to get their words of wisdom to share

with you. And so today's guest is Jennifer Moss and Jennifer has a great new book out called

The Burnout Epidemic and I first came across her work because I read a sort of deep dive,

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