284 - John Vervaeke and Jacob Howland - The Symposium

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 824 Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2023

⏱️ 98 minutes

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I sit down with John Vervaeke and Jacob Howland to discuss The Symposium, one of the great dialogues of Plato. Professor Jacob Howland is Director of University of Austin, Texas' Intellectual Foundations program. Previously, Howland served as McFarlin Professor of Philosophy at the University of Tulsa and Senior Fellow at the Tikvah Fund. He is the author of five books and one edited book, including two on Plato’s Republic as well as studies of Kierkegaard and the Talmud. Howland’s articles have appeared in The New Criterion, City Journal, and The Nation, among others. Original video: https://youtu.be/T1nxiLARYAk John Vervaeke: https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke Jacob Howland: https://www.jacobhowland.com/ - Jacob's book, Plato and the Talmud: https://www.amazon.com/Plato-Talmud-Jacob-Howland/dp/1107612691 - John Vervaeke's YouTube series, After Socrates: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLND1JCRq8Vuj6q5NP_fXjBzUT1p_qYSCC - Event in Chino, California in May, titled, 'The Quest for a Spiritual Home': https://events.eventzilla.net/e/estuary-chino-2023-2138601197 - Plato's Dialogues, including The Symposium, are included in our The Symbolic World reading list. See here for more: https://thesymbolicworld.com/reading-list ------------------------ 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

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0:00.0	I think the myths are like the parable of Jesus. If you try to resolve it narratively, you mess it up, you lose it, right? And I think what Plato's doing and what the Bible are doing is saying, look, you're always going and this is, you know, and this is in the symposium. You're always in between, metaksu. You're always, always going to be in between and stop trying to be either an animal or a god. You're always going to be in between. And stop trying to be either an animal or a god.
0:23.7	You're always going to be in between.
0:25.4	And this is really relevant right now as we're facing a lot of emerging technologies that are going to put a strain on us around that.
0:31.6	Music This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello, everyone. I am excited to be here, one with our usual friend and collaborator
1:02.5	John Bravaki, who everyone here knows. But then also I'm happy to introduce you to Jacob Howland.
1:08.4	He is, he is, sorry, I forget the name of the program you're leading,
1:13.7	but he is at the University of Austin and is an expert on Plato. And he just told us that he
1:18.3	wrote a book on the Talmud and Plato, which both John and I would be very excited to look at
1:22.7	and to read. We've been having several email exchanges, and we both John and I have been really
1:27.4	impressed by his insight on, on the Greeks, the agents, and we both, John and I have been really impressed by
1:28.0	his insight on the Greeks, the agents, and how they're relevant to us today. And also noticing
1:33.8	the University of Austin and just the courage they have to create something new, something
1:38.9	fresh that is, they're trying to engage with culture today. So, Jacob, thanks for, thanks for joining us today.
1:45.2	Oh, it's really wonderful to be here, Jonathan. I've listened to you and to John on many
1:50.9	occasions, and I'm absolutely delighted to participate in this conversation. Well, it's a great thrill
1:56.9	for me to be able to talk to you, Jacob. Like I said, your book has had a huge impact on me,
2:04.2	and I'm very grateful for that. Thank you. And so Jacob, you kind of wrote us several, at least
2:11.0	several messages. I got several messages from you with John in the messages, and you were, you've been
2:17.0	poking at some of the discussions we've been having
2:19.8	some of the relevance of the ancient Greeks to the modern world today.
2:23.1	So I'll let you kind of start us off and then we'll see where it leads us.
2:27.1	Yeah, well, thanks.
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